1. You Might Be A Redneck
2. You hate all Israeli Jews and all Jews who support Israel but you
love all other Jews (the ones who hate Israeli Jews and Jews who support
Israel).
3. You think the Holocaust should never be remembered for the purpose of
supporting Israel but should always be remembered for the purpose of
making comparisons between Israel and Nazis.
4. You are interested/fascinated with what there is/might be about Jews
that has traditionally made them victims yet you have no interest in
what there is/might be about Muslims/Christians that made Jews victims.
5. You think that Judaism has negatively influenced Israel but Islam has
not necessarily negatively influenced the surrounding Muslim countries.
6. You have an endless fascination with the argument that Israel is
guilty of genocide even though there are now more Arabs in Israel than
there were 70 years ago and the only reason the launch of the
Palestinian museum of history was unsuccessful was because of internal
Palestinian disagreements and no interest in the actual genocide of all
Jewish communities in the surrounding Arab countries during the same
time period.
7. You think there is never a context for Israeli security measures but always a context for Palestinian terrorism.
8. You think that plotting by The Grand Mufti with Adolf Hitler against the Jews is irrelevant to the current Israeli/Arab conflict but any mention that the current Palestinian leader Mahmoud Abbas wrote his Thesis on Holocaust Denial The Other Side: The Secret Relationship Between Nazism and Zionism is verboten.
9. Your favorite sources for criticism of Israel are Israelis/Jews but you would never ever use a Palestinian/Muslim source such as the son of the founder of Hamas Mosab Hassan Yousef to criticize Palestinians.
Do not adjust your computer screen. I am in control of the discussion. For the next lifetime I will adjust the vertical and horizontal debate settings. You have reached His majesty and the Days Of Awe known as: The Outer Polimics.
Saturday, November 5, 2016
Sunday, August 21, 2016
Son Control - Mark's 2nd Amendment. Was "son of God" Added Later to Mark 1:1? The Greek Patristic Evidence.
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1. Introduction of the Issue
Bible ReadingMark 1:1 either reads as follows or uses alternative words with about the same meaning in all English Bibles that I am aware of:
BibleGateway Mark 1:1 NRSV
"The beginning of the good news[a] of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.[b]"
Alternative
There is Textual Criticism evidence for an alternative reading:
"The beginning of the good news[a] of Jesus Christ"with the difference being the omission of "the Son of God".
Greek Patristic Evidence
A key area of evidence for the Alternative is the early Greek Patristic evidence. Patristic evidence is normally an important category of External evidence except when there is relatively little of it. For the issue at hand though, we have early Patristic evidence in quantity. Patristic evidence is also relatively weightier for the Gospel of Mark than for other Gospels as Mark is relatively poorly attested by early Manuscript evidence compared to the other Gospels.
2. Discussion
Tatian c. 170
Considering Tatian as witness here:
"Tatian the Assyrian[1][2][3][4] (c. 120–180 AD) was an Assyrian early Christian writer and theologian of the 2nd century.
Tatian's most influential work is the Diatessaron, a Biblical paraphrase, or "harmony", of the four gospels that became the standard text of the four gospels in the Syriac-speaking churches until the 5th-century, when it gave way to the four separate gospels in the Peshitta version.[5]"
his related witness is the Diatessaron
"The Diatessaron (c 160–175) is the most prominent Gospel harmony created by Tatian, an early Christian apologist and ascetic.[1] Tatian combined the four gospels—Matthew, Mark, Luke, and John—into a single narrative.
Tatian's harmony follows the gospels closely in terms of text but puts the text in a new, different sequence. The four gospels differ from one another; like other harmonies, the Diatessaron resolves contradictions. It also omits both the contradictory genealogies in Matthew and Luke. In order to fit all the canonical material in, Tatian created his own narrative sequence, which is different from both the synoptic sequence and John's sequence. Tatian omitted duplicated text, especially among the synoptics. The harmony does not include Jesus' encounter with the adulteress (John 7:53–8:11), a passage that is generally considered to be a late addition to the Gospel of John,[2] with the Diatessaron itself often used as an early textual witness to support this. No significant text was added.[3]
Only 56 verses in the canonical Gospels do not have a counterpart in the Diatessaron, mostly the genealogies and the Pericope Adulterae. The final work is about 72% the length of the four gospels put together (McFall, 1994).
In the early Church, the gospels at first circulated independently, with Matthew the most popular.[4] The Diatessaron is notable evidence for the authority already enjoyed by the four gospels by the mid-2nd century.[5] Twenty years after Tatian's harmony, Irenaeus expressly proclaimed the authoritative character of the four gospels. The Diatessaron became a standard text of the gospels in some Syriac-speaking churches down to the 5th century, when it gave way to the four separate Gospels,[5] in the Peshitta version.[6]"
The text of the Diatessaron
and regarding the offending verse here:
"The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God."
It is nowhere to be found in the Diatessaron. We have the following reasons to think this is evidence that Mark 1:1 either outright did not exist at this time or was recognized by Tatian as likely not original:
- Tatian used almost all of "Mark".
- There is no clear reason for Tatian to exorcise 1:1.
- It would be natural for Tatian to start his Gospel with it as his theology is that Jesus started as son of God.
- The Diatessaron likewise does not have the start of "Matthew" or "Luke" again suggesting that either they outright did not exist at this time or were recognized by Tatian as likely not original. If "Matthew" and "Luke" had beginnings added (which their primary source "Mark" did not have) than that is evidence that "Mark" did too.
- Elliott argues (well) that all of 1:1-3 is unoriginal J.K. Elliott "Mark 1:1-3–A later addition to the Gospel?" NTS 46 (2000) 584-8
Now, getting all the way back to the specific question of this article, if there is evidence that Mark 1:1 is not original, is that evidence that the "son of god" in 1:1 is an addition?
As Kenneth Mars said in the classic ''Young Frankenstein'' "of gorse" in an absolute sense. In a relative sense though if all of 1:1 is an addition is that evidence that "son of God" is a even later addition to the prior addition of 1:1?
I think so as general evidence of editing in the neighborhood is evidence of specific editing there and specifically general addition evidence is specifically evidence of specific addition editing.
Thus I will add Tatian as evidence for addition and note the coordination with the other evidence as there is no quality evidence that "son of God" even existed in Tatian's time.
Irenaeus c. 190
Against Heresies (Book III, Chapter 11)
"8. The beginning of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, as it is written in Esaias the prophet,"
Compare to the Text:
"The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God. Even as it is written in Isaiah the prophet,"
The only significant difference being "the son of God". Irenaeus explicitly says "son of God" twice in his related discussion and a major theme is the generation of Jesus. It seems reMarkable to me that he would invoke the offending phrase in his discussion but not in his quote.
Irenaeus' context here is a general one. He is claiming support from the individual Gospels for his conclusion that there should be exactly four Gospels. Strangely, his mystical, indirect argument is exactly the type he accuses his opponents of.
Origen c. 240
Origen Commentary on John Book I.14
"The beginning of the Gospel of Jesus Christ."
followed by:
"The beginning of the Gospel of Jesus Christ,
as it is written in Isaiah the prophet, Behold I send my messenger before thy face, who shall prepare thy way.
The voice of one crying m the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make His paths straight."
Compare to the Text:
"The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.
Even as it is written in Isaiah the prophet, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, Who shall prepare thy way.
The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make ye ready the way of the Lord, Make his paths straight;"
The only difference is "the son of God" and this is for 3 verses.
Origen's context is that the Christian Bible is a continuation of the Jewish Bible.
Origen Commentary on John Book 6.14
"The beginning of the Gospel of Jesus Christ,
as it is written in Isaiah the prophet, Behold, I send My messenger before thy face, who shall prepare thy way before thee.
The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make His paths straight."
Compare to the Text:
"The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.
Even as it is written in Isaiah the prophet, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, Who shall prepare thy way.
The voice of one crying in the wilderness, Make ye ready the way of the Lord, Make his paths straight;"
The only difference is "the son of God" and this is for 3 verses.
Origen's context is that he is trying to harmonize the Gospels.
Origen Contra Celsus BOOK II. CHAP. IV
"The beginning of the Gospel of Jesus Christ,
as it is written in the prophet Isaiah, Behold, I send My messenger before Thy face, who shall prepare Thy way before Thee"
Compare to the Text:
"The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God.
Even as it is written in Isaiah the prophet, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, Who shall prepare thy way."
The only difference is "the son of God" for 2 verses.
Origen's context is that the Christian Bible states that it is connected to the Jewish Bible.
Serapion c. 350
Per the two main authors here on opposite sides, Head, contra "son of God", and Wasserman, pro "son of God", there is agreement that Serapion is a Contra. Per Michael Kok, Serapion, with evidence similar to Origen, quotes Mark 1:1-2 twice without "the son of God" in Against the Manichees (which exists only in the Greek) 25 & 37.
Basil c. 363
Against Eunomius (Book II) 15 (Page 150)
"The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, as is written in Isaiah the prophet: a voice of one crying out [Mk 1.1]"
Compare to the Text:
"The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God. Even as it is written in Isaiah the prophet, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, Who shall prepare thy way. The voice of one crying in the wilderness"Wasserman points out that the omission of the second half of verse 2 is support for the omission of "the son of God" in verse 1. But again, the cumulative absence of Patristic quotation of "son of God" here suggests the more likely explanation that it did not exist/was not accepted as original at this time. Also note here that Basil's context is the timing of "the son of God" so it would be reMarkable for him to exorcise it from his related quote.
Cyril Jerusalem c. 370
ST. CYRIL OF JERUSALEM: CATECHETICAL LECTURES LECTURE III. ON BAPTISM
"The beginning of the Gospel of Jesus Christ, &c.: John came baptising in the wilderness"Compare to the Text:
"The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God. Even as it is written in Isaiah the prophet, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, Who shall prepare thy way. The voice of one crying in the wilderness"Cyril gives part of the missing text early on (1):
"For the voice is heard of one crying in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord"
He adds (2):
"Make straight the way of the Lord"
So the only part of the start of "Mark" he is missing besides "son of God" is the prophetic prediction.
Part of his argument (11):
"If the Son of God was baptized"
Why not quote that if it's in the text. He's making a treatise out of a few verses.
And, as the Brits says, the cruncher (14):
"Jesus Christ was the Son of God, yet He preached not the Gospel before His Baptism. If the Master Himself followed the right time in due order, ought we, His servants, to venture out of order? From that time Jesus began to preach[5], when the Holy Spirit had descended upon Him in a bodily shape, like a dove[6]; not that Jesus might see Him first, for He knew Him even before He came in a bodily shape, but that John, who was baptizing Him, might behold Him. For I, saith he, knew Him not: but He that sent me to baptize with water, He said unto me, Upon whomsoever thou shalt see the Spirit descending and abiding on Him,that is He[7]. If thou too hast unfeigned piety, the Holy Ghost cometh down on thee also, and a Father's voice sounds over thee from on high--not, "This is My Son," but, "This has now been made My son;" for the "is" belongs to Him alone, because In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God[8]. To Him belongs the "is," since He is always the Son of God: but to thee "has now been made:" since thou hast not the sonship by nature, but receivest it by adoption. He eternally "is;" but thou receivest the grace by advancement."
Cyril's point/apology here is that the Synoptics appear to show Jesus as becoming son of God at baptism. Cyril's spin is that it is only from the standpoint of the witness that Jesus became son of God at the baptism. Jesus was "son of God" before the baptism (ala "John") and he (Jesus) knew/knows/will know it. Being able to quote "Mark" as saying "son of God" before the baptism is exactly what he would have wanted and done had it been there, same as his fellow Patristics.
Epiphanius c. 378
Panarion Section 51 (Page 26)
"The beginning of the Gospel, as it is written in Isaiah the prophet, A voice of one crying in the wilderness."Compare to the Text:
"The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God. Even as it is written in Isaiah the prophet, Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, Who shall prepare thy way. The voice of one crying in the wilderness"So Epiphanius has exorcised "Behold, I send my messenger before thy face, Who shall prepare thy way" and "Jesus Christ, the Son of God." Epiphanius says the northodox are using "Mark" to support their position (page 31):
""Look" they said here is a second Gospel too with an account of Christ, and nowhere does it say that his generation is heavenly. Instead they said, "the spirit descended upon him in the Jordan and a voice, "this is my beloved son with whom I am well pleased.""If the text had said "son of God" at 1:1 than Epiphanius likely would have used it since he would consider it evidence from "Mark" that Jesus was the son of God before the baptism. He discusses the related text of the Gospels in detail looking for any support so the context indicates it was not there. Professor Ehrman briefly mentions the issue in TOCoS but doesn't going into the timing. Consider that at the time Epiphanius writes about the issue the only known extant Greek support is Vaticanus (coordination).
Epiphanius has provided us with the motive to add "son of God" and contemporary to him is when the extant Greek evidence for it starts.
Asterius c. 385
Per Wasserman:
"The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, as is written in the prophets:Compare to the Text:
"The beginning of the gospel of Jesus Christ, the Son of God. Even as it is written in Isaiah the prophet"Here Wasserman confesses that this is simply a quote of the Short. While he is in a confessional mood, Wasserman further confesses that Asterius is commenting on the heading of Psalm 9 and specifically the "son" in it and making/creating a connection to Mark 1:2 with Jesus supposedly the end of the Law in the Jewish bible and the start of a new era as witnessed by "Mark". Therefore, the context of Asterius indicates it was not there to use.
Severian c. 390
Per Wasserman:
Cites a compiler of the relevant manuscripts that says 12 are Short and 2 are Long. Based on quantity, Severian is than Short and this is then direct evidence of change from Short to Long.
3. Conclusion
Critical (good) Textual Criticism usually decides textual criticism issues based on The Difficult Reading Principle combined with a minimum of other textual criticism evidence. Here the Difficult Reading Principle clearly favors "Son of God" as addition as that is what orthodox Christianity would strongly prefer. The Patristic External evidence category is always important and here it is even more important than usual as there is only one papyri witness (which supports omission). Prior to the fifth century we have nine Greek Patristic witnesses above who support addition and no Greek witnesses who support original until Cyril of Alexandria early 5th century. Thus the Difficult Reading Principle combined with the dominant Patristic witness for addition, which easily meets the minimum additional evidence requirement, clearly supports "Son of God" as addition.Monday, August 1, 2016
The William Of Oz
Starring:
Madelein Albright as Dorothy
Richard Rubin as the Scarecrow
William Cohen as the Lion
Alan Greenspan as the Tin Man
and
Bill Clinton as the Wizard
Special guest appearance by Leona Helmsley as the Good Witch Of
The North.
Bill Clinton wardrobe provided by Hyundi Motors, Ltd.
Madelein Albright as Dorothy
Richard Rubin as the Scarecrow
William Cohen as the Lion
Alan Greenspan as the Tin Man
and
Bill Clinton as the Wizard
Special guest appearance by Leona Helmsley as the Good Witch Of
The North.
Bill Clinton wardrobe provided by Hyundi Motors, Ltd.
Story background :
Three new cabinet members who
are all (unbeknownst
to them) searching for the same thing begin their journey to Washington
to start their new careers.
to them) searching for the same thing begin their journey to Washington
to start their new careers.
Albright :
How will we ever find our way
to Washington?
Rubin :
Look, there are some twenty
dollar bills over there.
Cohen :
And off in the distance, I
think I see some small unmarked
bills.
Albright :
(Cupping her hand over her
eyes)
And way over yonder, I think I see
some stock certificates for the Indonesian National Oil Company.
some stock certificates for the Indonesian National Oil Company.
Albright
(As she scoops up the twentys)
(As she scoops up the twentys)
Follow the fund raising
trail!
Rubin :
(As he scoops up the small unmarked bills)
Follow the fundraising trail!
All :
Follow, follow, follow, follow,
follow the fundraising trail!
As our heroes make their way to Washington they all begin singing:
"We're off to see the Wizard, the wonderful William of Oz,
If ever there was a Wizard of Oz, the William of Oz is the one,
Despite the scandals, coverups and screwups,
his approval rating keeps going up and up,
Because, because, because, because, because,
because of the wonderful things he says,
Ha ha ha ha!
We're off to see the Wizard, the wonderful William of Oz."
Albright :
What is that white stuff falling from the sky? Is it snow?
Rubin :
It's not melting. Maybe its Manna.
Cohen :
No, look, (grabs one out of the air) they're faxes. It's from
Clinton. All of the information that we need for our cabinet
positions. They must have dropped them from Air Force 1.
Everyone gathers up all the faxes as they continue to follow the fund raising trail.
Albright : (Reading through the faxes)
There's hardly anything here about
diplomacy, it just talks about how to handle lobbyists.
Rubin :
I don't see anything about fiscal policy, only what to say to
taxpayers.
Cohen :
There's absolutely nothing here about defense needs, only a
budget.
As the new cabinet members make their way through the Enchanted
Press Forest they begin chanting:
Lobbyists and taxpayers and budgets, oh my!
Lobbyists and taxpayers and budgets, oh my!
Lobbyists and taxpayers and budgets, oh my!
Finally, they arrive at the Emerald White House and meet the President.
Albright :
Mr. President, I just want to tell you what an honor it is for me
and my friends here to be serving in your my cabinet.
Bubba :
Excuse me everyone. Mr. President, Boris Yeltson is on Line 1.
Clinton :
What does he want, another loan?
Bubba :
No sir. He wants you to grant the McDonalds in Moscow a
liquor license.
Clinton :
Tell him I'll call him back.
Bubba :
Yes Mr. President.
Albright :
Mr. President, I was wondering if you could do me a favor. I
want to be Jewish again. Can you send me to Israel first?
Clinton :
Are you crazy? You're already scheduled to go to Cairo,
Amman and Damascus next year. After your little surprise
revelation, how am I suppose to make it up to the Arabs,
appoint Yassir Arafat to the Supreme Court. (Scratches his
chin and arches his eyebrow) Hmmm, I wonder what Arafat
thinks about sitting Presidents being sued? Bubba, make a
note to call Arafat.
Bubba :
Yes Mr. President. Mr. President, Fidel Castro is on Line 2,
he says he wants to talk peace.
Clinton :
Tell him to call me back in thirty years.
Bubba :
Yes Mr. President.
Clinton :
Now listen up everyone. Ya'll being here is my favor to you.
So now it's payback time. Go out into the world and make me
look good.
Bubba :
Mr. President, Buffy is on line 1.
Clinton :
I'll take it on the secure line in the bomb shelter. Now get
going everyone.
Albright is outside the Emerald White House crying and being consoled
by Rubin and Cohen.
Albright :
I'll never get to be Jewish again.
Suddenly, there is a large puff of smoke accompanied by the distinct smell
of Matzoh Ball soup. Appearing out of nowhere is a middle aged women
dressed in standard fairy godmother attire except for the apron and fuzzy slippers.
Albright :
Who are you?
Who are you?
Helmsley :
I'm the Good Witch Of The North.
Albright :
The Good Witch Of North? You look like Golda Meir.
Helmsley :
And you look like Claudia Schiffer? Listen, I'm right in the
middle of an intense scrabble game with the Wicked Witch
Of The West. I'm about to lay down "quixotic" with the x
on triple word score, so let's make this quick. What do you
want?
Albright :
I want to be Jewish again. Purim's coming. I want to dress
up as Esther, bake Hamentashens and take a ritual Mikvah.
Helmsley :
Would you settle for two out of three?
Rubin :
I want to be Jewish again too.
Cohen :
Me too.
Albright :
We all want to be Jewish again, but we've forgotten how.
Helmsley :
You have all forgotten how to be Jewish, but Judaism has
not forgotten you. It still lives in your hearts and your deeds.
Just close your eyes, put your hands on your hearts and say
three times, "there's no place like homeland, there's no
place like homeland, there's no place like homeland."
Friday, July 1, 2016
The Strange Chapter Of Dr. Jewkyll And Mr. Hymn - Day 2
Continued from The Strange Chapter Of Dr. Jewkyll And Mr. Hymn - Day 1
Dearest Diary, this morning I re-read Isaiah Chapter 53 as planned to see if I would start to develop tendencies towards Christian beliefs. Reading Chapter 53 by itself I can almost understand why some Christians think it supports the idea of vicarious atonement although I think a better explanation is that it is merely saying that a person or persons who can maintain good morals and ethics in the face of persecution set a good example for others. Again, when I looked at the surrounding chapters it's clear to me that Chapter 53 describes the nation of Israel and any theme of vicarious atonement in 53 is not supported by the rest of Isaiah. I did not have the rest of the Tanakh available for comparison. Still, I remain curious as to why the Christians consider Chapter 53 to be such good evidence for the truth of Christianity so I've decided to remove Chapter 53 from Isaiah for tomorrow's reading and put the rest of Isaiah in my safety deposit box along with the rest of the Tanakh. No significant unusual behaviour noted although tonight I actually lost to my computer at chess at level 13 in 40 moves. I'm sure this is just a temporary setback. Also, while flipping channels this evening I noticed a show called World Federation Wrestling which looked God-awful. I complained to my cable company that I never ordered this show but they assured me that I've always had it since I've had cable. Strange that I've never noticed it before.
Once again, I accidentally saw Donald Drumph tonight. Idiot. He may have some small point to make on immigration I suppose. I find him really annoying but maybe he is entertaining.
Sincerely, Dr. Henry Jewkyll
Wednesday, June 29, 2016
John Heller's Catechism-22 (Book review of Walter McCrone's Judgment Day for the Shroud of Turin)
Judgment Day for the Shroud of Turin by Walter C. Mccrone (Author)
"In order to get a supernatural explanation out of the "Shroud", one must be Scientist. But if someone gets a supernatural explanation out of the "Shroud", then one is not Scientist. But in order to..."
*Walter, I'm glad to see that my work was not in vain and that the Pursuit of Truth has finally overtaken perceived truth. The title alone, "Judgment Day For The Shroud Of Turin", is worth the price of the book (30 pieces of silver). The fact that Heller's book, arguing for the authenticity of the Shroud has long since fossilized in the Apologist's Hall Of Fame and gone out of print while your book remains popular kind of says it all.*
The beauty of the book is that while McCrone puts the "Shroud" under the microscope, in a typology which ironically is so crucial to many Church doctrines, McCrone at the same time puts the faith of a Church which believes its leader is infallible but couldn't even tell you if it was going to rain tomorrow under the microscope as well. So, in addition to presenting overwhelming and then some evidence that the "Shroud" is really a shroud the book becomes a wonderful illustration of the nature of Apologetics. Ignore/deny superior tests for supporting conclusions and create/cling to inferior tests supporting assumptions thus placing the usual scientific process backwards (isn't this evidence of Satan?).
If McCrone is guilty of anything it was baiting the Church into thinking that he was exactly the type of scientist wanted by the Church, top credentials but sympathetic to the cause of the Church and determined to prove the Shroud authentic. In his initial letters to Father Rinaldi, offering his services to research the Shroud, McCrone titled his letters, "Authentication Of The Turin Shroud" and wrote, "The provenance for the Shroud is known dependably for more than 600 years with considerable evidence extending this date back to the time of Christ...The protection of this information through proper channels must remain uppermost in our minds...I sincerely hope we may be able to work on this most interesting project and hope that we will be able to obtain data supporting the conclusion that this linen was indeed the one used as Christ's Shroud after the cruxifixion."
As a scientist McCrone should have known before he started his testing that the Shroud was 14th century as he was familiar with the extant letters from the Bishops of Lyons (yes, "Lyons") to the then Pope stating that the creator of the Shroud had confessed that it was a painting (this fact more than any other illustrates the absurdness of the necessity to even test the Shroud for authenticity as the situation is that we have second and third hand evidence that the "Shroud" is a fraud while we have no hand or even foot evidence that there even was a burial shroud of Jesus). Even the supporters of the "Shroud" generally agree that these letters are authentic but they claim that they refer to some other burial Shroud of Jesus near Lyons at the same time (ignore/deny). McCrone had also studied the results of testing by the 1973 Italian Commission, the first group of Scientists, hand picked by the Church, to test the Shroud whose results strongly implied that the Shroud was a 14th century painting. Aside from the conclusive evidence that McCrone found indicating the Shroud was a fraud the Church and Christian scientists involved in the study of the Shroud also came to hate McCrone because they felt that his initial portrayal of being sympathetic to the Church was a false appearance to induce the Church to use him and hid his true belief that the Shroud was a fraud and he wanted to prove that it was to feed his ego and build his reputation as a great scientist.
The bulk of the book consists of McCrone explaining the necessity, procedures, analysis and conclusions of scientific testing of the Shroud in terms easily understandable to the non-scientist and this is where McCrone excels as in addition to superior scientific skills he displays supreme communication skills as a teacher as well. McCrone proves through the use of state of the art microscopic technology that the Shroud image consists almost entirely of paint pigments popular in the 14th century. While generally conceding that there is some paint pigment on the Shroud, supporters of the Shroud deny that the image is a painting because there is no evidence of brushstrokes when examined microscopically. To answer this objection McCrone demonstrated that if the paint was sufficiently diluted in a water base there would be no detectable brushstrokes. McCrone recreated shrouds using the same paint materials used on the Shroud and reported that there were no visible brushstrokes on the recreations and that under the microscope the particles were identical between the recreations and the Shroud and challenged any Shroud supporter to try and tell the difference (a challenge which is still untaken). McCrone next demonstrated that there is no actual blood in the "blood" image areas of the Shroud. Dried blood under the microscope is always black but the blood areas of the Shroud were red. Chemical analysis of the blood image areas also indicated that they lacked major chemical components of blood such as potassium. Shroud supporters, such as Heller, conclude that the blood image areas are blood because they contain some chemical components of blood such as calcium and iron but they ignore that paint pigments also contain calcium and iron. When asked to explain why the usual tests for the presence of blood fail here, such as black color and existence of potassium, they explain that the explanation is some unknown process (ignore/deny).
These then were the two significant conclusions of McCrone, the image is a painting and there is no evidence of blood. McCrone wrote up the results of his testing in articles for peer reviewed and accredited scientific journals and his results are largely accepted by the scientific community at large. McCrone also deals with claims of Shroud supporters who are then forced to rely on inferior issues to support their beliefs. Regarding the common supporter claim that the "Shroud" is a perfect negative image McCrone points out that the hair and blood images of the Shroud are positive, not negative images. The other popular supporter claim is that the Shroud contains a collection of pollens which support a journey from the Middle East, to Turkey and then to Europe. McCrone notes that his examination of the Shroud indicated that the majority of these pollens were concentrated in one extremely limited area of the Shroud and recognizing that he is not a pollen expert provides a special section in his book detailing the report of a pollen expert who has serious doubts as to the credibility of the Scientist (Frei) who reported the pollen findings. McCrone builds such a strong case for the Shroud being a 14th century painting that when McCrone reports towards the end of his book the results of carbon dating showing a 14th century date (surprise) it's actually anti-climactic.
McCrone also describes his impressive credentials, tools and talent for such a project and is quite merciful in describing the lack of corresponding qualifications of his Christian "scientist" opponents instead limiting himself to objectively describing their limited qualifications and use of inferior equipment. John Jackson for instance, perhaps McCrone's biggest critic, had the main qualification for studying the Shroud of being a captain in the U.S. Air Force. Generally, the Christian scientists supporting the Shroud have not had peer reviewed articles published in accredited scientific journals.
McCrone's reward for his work was to be ostracized and shunned by the Church and fellow Christian scientists who in addition to obviously not liking his results were incensed that unlike some predecessors who had similar findings McCrone had the courage to make POSITIVE conclusions ("The Shroud is a 14th century painting") rather than play the Church's game and avoid positive conclusions indicating the Shroud was not authentic ("I did not find evidence that the Shroud is from the 1st century").
In the face of this persecution McCrone displays a timely and welcome sense of humor during his book giving appropriate placed applicable quotes such as Ambrose Bierce's "Faith, n. Belief without evidence in what is told by one who speaks without knowledge, of things without parallel."
*Walter: Did you ever know you are my hero? You are the cleaning solution beneath my microscope slide. By golly, you and your microscope were right all along. You've convinced me and I hope your book will convince others. With best wishes and keep up the good work.*
Sincerely and free at last, Galileo
Friday, June 24, 2016
The Israeli/Arab Conflict - Who is Easier to Demonize as Naziish?
Poetry recital by Hatem Bazian at "Mein Kampfeehouse",
Berkeley,
California, April 30,
2001.
"To mein furkengroovin fuhrer. Man, I really dug the way
you
were swingin through
Poland.
Barbarossa was so heavy, that it
blew my mind. You restated the negativeness of the
universe.
The hideous, lonely emptiness of existence. Nothingness.
The predicament of man forced to live in a barren,
godless
eternity like a tiny flame flickering in an immense void
with
nothing but waste, horror and degradation forming a
useless,
bleak, straight-jacket in a black, absurd,
cosmos.
Mein furkengroovin fuhrer, to me you'll always be
the
coolest of the fritz cats and the biggest daddio of
the
daddio-land."
Hatem Bazian
Berkeley,
California
April 30, 2001.
PMW Bulletins Israeli PM Netanyahu is a Nazi with a swastika tattoo - in Fatah cartoon
PMW Bulletins Fatah: All Israelis are Nazis
PMW Bulletins Fatah posts Nazi children's book: Don’t trust a fox or a Jew
Perhaps the only thing the rest of the world agrees on though is that the Palestinian Media is not credible. So, if we are forced to make a comparison to Nazis here, which side, Israeli or Palestinian, is more Naziish?
1947–48 Civil War in Mandatory Palestine
The military leaders on the Palestinian side were Fawzi al-Qawuqji and Abd al-Qadir al-Husayni. The political leader was Amin al-Husseini:
Fawzi al-Qawuqji
"Fawzi al-Qawuqji (Arabic: فوزي القاوقجي; 19 January 1890 – 5 June 1977) was a leading Arab nationalist military figure in the interwar period,[1] based in Germany, and allied to Nazi Germany during World War II, who served as the Arab Liberation Army (ALA) field commander during the 1948 Palestine War."
"awarded the German Iron Cross"
"After suffering serious wounds fighting the British in Iraq, al-Qawuqji was transported to Vichy French-held Syria, and then made his way to Nazi Germany.[8][17] He remained in Germany for the remainder of World War II, recuperated from his wounds, and married a German woman.[18] Al-Qawuqji's sojourn in Germany has been the subject of considerable controversy.[19] Gilbert Achcar recounts stories of conflicts during his Berlin period:"
"He was awarded the rank of a colonel of the Wehrmacht (German Army), and given a captain to act as his aide, along with a chauffeured car, and an apartment near the clinic at Hansa. His expenses were paid by Wehrmacht High Command and by Rashid Ali's Foreign Minister. The Germans used al-Qawuqji's name and reputation extensively in their propaganda.[22]"
So among Fawzi al-Qawuqji's Naziish credentials:
1) Colonel in the Nazi army
2) Actively fought against the Allies
3) Healed and married a German in Nazi Germany
4) Was used for propaganda purposes by the Nazis
In addition, famously said:
"In August he threatened that, should the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine vote go the wrong way, “we will have to initiate total war. We will murder, wreck and ruin everything standing in our way, be it English, American or Jewish"[29]"
"I have come to Palestine to stay and fight until Palestine is a free and united Arab country or until I am killed and buried here," ... His aim, he declared, borrowing the slogan that was becoming the leitmotiv of the Arab leadership, was "to drive all the Jews into the sea."[34]
Sounds pretty Naziish.
Amin al-Husseini
The Question:
Perhaps the only thing Israel and the Palestinians agree on is that the Palestinians demonize Israel as Naziish. From Palestinian Media Watch:
PMW Bulletins Israeli PM Netanyahu is a Nazi with a swastika tattoo - in Fatah cartoon
PMW Bulletins Fatah: All Israelis are Nazis
PMW Bulletins Fatah posts Nazi children's book: Don’t trust a fox or a Jew
Perhaps the only thing the rest of the world agrees on though is that the Palestinian Media is not credible. So, if we are forced to make a comparison to Nazis here, which side, Israeli or Palestinian, is more Naziish?
When There Were Real Nazis:
Once upon a time there were real Nazis and it really was not that long ago. The Israeli/Arab Conflict first went from simmer to boil during:
1947–48 Civil War in Mandatory Palestine
The military leaders on the Palestinian side were Fawzi al-Qawuqji and Abd al-Qadir al-Husayni. The political leader was Amin al-Husseini:
Fawzi al-Qawuqji
"Fawzi al-Qawuqji (Arabic: فوزي القاوقجي; 19 January 1890 – 5 June 1977) was a leading Arab nationalist military figure in the interwar period,[1] based in Germany, and allied to Nazi Germany during World War II, who served as the Arab Liberation Army (ALA) field commander during the 1948 Palestine War."
"awarded the German Iron Cross"
"After suffering serious wounds fighting the British in Iraq, al-Qawuqji was transported to Vichy French-held Syria, and then made his way to Nazi Germany.[8][17] He remained in Germany for the remainder of World War II, recuperated from his wounds, and married a German woman.[18] Al-Qawuqji's sojourn in Germany has been the subject of considerable controversy.[19] Gilbert Achcar recounts stories of conflicts during his Berlin period:"
"He was awarded the rank of a colonel of the Wehrmacht (German Army), and given a captain to act as his aide, along with a chauffeured car, and an apartment near the clinic at Hansa. His expenses were paid by Wehrmacht High Command and by Rashid Ali's Foreign Minister. The Germans used al-Qawuqji's name and reputation extensively in their propaganda.[22]"
So among Fawzi al-Qawuqji's Naziish credentials:
1) Colonel in the Nazi army
2) Actively fought against the Allies
3) Healed and married a German in Nazi Germany
4) Was used for propaganda purposes by the Nazis
In addition, famously said:
"In August he threatened that, should the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine vote go the wrong way, “we will have to initiate total war. We will murder, wreck and ruin everything standing in our way, be it English, American or Jewish"[29]"
"I have come to Palestine to stay and fight until Palestine is a free and united Arab country or until I am killed and buried here," ... His aim, he declared, borrowing the slogan that was becoming the leitmotiv of the Arab leadership, was "to drive all the Jews into the sea."[34]
Sounds pretty Naziish.
Amin al-Husseini
You know who |
Just from the picture above you can already tell this is not going to be pretty -
"In 1921 the British High Commissioner appointed him Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, a position he used to promote Islam while rallying a non-confessional Arab nationalism against Zionism.[12][13] During the period 1921-36 he was considered an important ally by the British Mandatory authorities.[14] His opposition to the British peaked during the 1936–39 Arab revolt in Palestine. In 1937, evading an arrest warrant, he fled Palestine and took refuge successively in the French Mandate of Lebanon and the Kingdom of Iraq, until he established himself in Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany. During World War II he collaborated with both Italy and Germany by making propagandistic radio broadcasts and by helping the Nazis recruit Bosnian Muslims for the Waffen-SS (on the ground that they shared four principles: family, order, the leader and faith)."
"Subsequently, the Mufti declared in November 1943:
"Throughout World War II, al-Husseini worked for the Axis Powers as a broadcaster in propaganda targeting Arab public opinion. He was thereby joined by other Arabs such as Fawzi al-Qawuqji[208] and Hasan Salama. The Mufti was paid "an absolute fortune" of 50,000 marks a month (when a German field marshal was making 25,000 marks a year),[209] the equivalent today of $12,000,000 a year.[129] Walter Winchell called him "the Arabian Lord Haw-Haw".[210]
The Mufti also wrote a pamphlet for the 13th SS Handschar division, translated as Islam i Zidovstvo (Islam and Judaism) which closed with a quotation from Bukhari-Muslim by Abu Khurreira that states:"The Day of Judgement will come, when the Muslims will crush the Jews completely: And when every tree behind which a Jew hides will say: 'There is a Jew behind me, Kill him!".[211]" ...
On 1 March 1944, while speaking on Radio Berlin, al-Husseini said: 'Arabs, rise as one man and fight for your sacred rights. Kill the Jews wherever you find them. This pleases God, history, and religion. This saves your honor. God is with you.'[213][214][215]"
"Husseini helped organize Arab students and North African emigres in Germany into the "Arabisches Freiheitkorps", an Arab Legion in the German Army that hunted down Allied parachutists in the Balkans and fought on the Russian front.[189]"
Amin al-Husseini's Naziish credentials:
1) Protected by the Nazis during the War
2) Assisted with Nazi propaganda
3) Recruited Muslims for the Waffen-SS
4) Issued policy statement that the Arabs had the right to solve the "Jewish question" in the same way the Nazis solved theirs.
5) Wrote approvingly of the Nazi effort to eliminate the problem of Jews in the world.
6) Wrote propaganda encouraging the destruction of all Jews.
7) Helped organize an Arab legion in the Nazi army.
8) Met with Hitler, Himmler and numerous top Nazi officials to discuss official policy against the Jews.
Impressive credentials.
Abd al-Qadir al-Husayni
"Abd al-Qadir al-Husayni (Arabic: عبد القادر الحسيني, also spelled Abd al-Qader al-Husseini) (1907 – 8 April 1948) was a Palestinian Arab nationalist and fighter who in late 1933 founded the secret militant group known as the Organization for Holy Struggle (Munathamat al-Jihad al-Muqaddas),[1][2] which he and Hasan Salama commanded as the Army of the Holy War (Jaysh al-Jihad al-Muqaddas) during the 1936–39 Arab revolt and during the 1948 war."
Relations between Nazi Germany and the Arab world
"The Mufti sent Abd al-Qadir al-Husayni to Germany in 1938 for explosives training."
Abd al-Qadir al-Husayni's Naziish credentials:
1) Received military training in Nazi Germany.
Unimpressive compared to the high standards of Naziishim already demonstrated here. You could even say the most Naziish thing about him was his affiliation with the others here testing heil for Naziishim. His co-commander was Hasan Salama. Maybe he can help bring up the average:
Hasan Salama
"the Mufti arranged for Salama and other Arab fighters to be flown to Germany for military training. The Germans trained Salama to be a paratrooper.[3]"
"Salama was as a member of a special commando unit of the Waffen SS in Operation ATLAS, which was jointly operated by German Intelligence and Grand Mufti al-Husseini."
Hasan Salama's Naziish credentials:
1) Received military training in Nazi Germany.
2) Was a member of the Waffen SS (the armed wing of the Nazis notorious for war crimes even by Nazi standards). That'll manheim up the average.
So in summary, for what looks like the four most important Palestinian leaders, they met with Adolf Hitler and other top ranking Nazis to discuss Nazi strategy, spent time in Nazi Germany, were trained by Nazis, assisted with Nazi propaganda, were in the Nazi army including the Waffen-SS and married Nazis.
In our comparison here it's going to be difficult for their Israeli counterparts to top but that doesn't mean that many will still try. Do a search on the Internet for "Israel Palestinians Nazi". Every hit on the first page will be comparing Israelis to Nazis.
David Ben-Gurion was the leader of Israel at the time. I can practically guarantee that he never met with Adolf Hitler. So what were his Naziish credentials? At his Wikipedia site most of the quotations are like this:
"This is our native land; it is not as birds of passage that we return to it. But it is situated in an area engulfed by Arabic-speaking people, mainly followers of Islam. Now, if ever, we must do more than make peace with them; we must achieve collaboration and alliance on equal terms"
Not much competition. We need to move to a source apparently more motivated than Wikipedia to demonize Ben-Gurion:
Neil Godfrey's Vridar: Expulsion of the Palestinians: Caution and Discretion during the War Years and the worst we can find there:
"We will propose to Iraq P£10 million in return for the resettlement of 100 thousand Arab families from Palestine in Iraq. I do not know whether Iraq will accept this proposal. If this business was only with Iraq — she might listen to us. Iraq needs a larger Arab settlement and of course it would not be adverse to receiving millions [of pounds]."
"We have to examine, first, if this transfer is practical, and secondly, if it is necessary. It is impossible to imagine general evacuation without compulsion, and brutal compulsion. There are of course sections of the non-Jewish population of the Land of Israel which will not resist transfer under adequate conditions to certain neighbouring countries, such as the Druzes, a number of Bedouin tribes in the Jordan Valley and the south, the Circassians and perhaps even the Metwalis [the Shi’ite of the Galilee]. But it would be very difficult to bring about the resettlement of other sections of the Arab populations such as the fellahin and also urban populations in neighbouring Arab countries by transferring them voluntarily, whatever economic inducements are offered to them."
The context of Ben-Gurion here is that it is an idea and not policy. It would also require agreement with the Arabs as a whole and only some Palestinians would have force used against them. Note also the attempt to provide compensation. This is a long way from the Palestinian leaders of the time possessing every Nazi quality except for being German.
So who's more Naziish now? Beowitch.
"In 1921 the British High Commissioner appointed him Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, a position he used to promote Islam while rallying a non-confessional Arab nationalism against Zionism.[12][13] During the period 1921-36 he was considered an important ally by the British Mandatory authorities.[14] His opposition to the British peaked during the 1936–39 Arab revolt in Palestine. In 1937, evading an arrest warrant, he fled Palestine and took refuge successively in the French Mandate of Lebanon and the Kingdom of Iraq, until he established himself in Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany. During World War II he collaborated with both Italy and Germany by making propagandistic radio broadcasts and by helping the Nazis recruit Bosnian Muslims for the Waffen-SS (on the ground that they shared four principles: family, order, the leader and faith)."
Himmler
"Back in the summer of 1940 and again in February 1941, al-Husseini submitted to the Nazi German Government a draft declaration of German-Arab cooperation, containing a clause:
|
Bosniak soldiers of the SS 13 Division, reading Husseini's pamphlet Islam and Judaism |
It is the duty of Muhammadans [Muslims] in general and Arabs in particular to ... drive all Jews from Arab and Muhammadan countries... . Germany is also struggling against the common foe who oppressed Arabs and Muhammadans in their different countries. It has very clearly recognized the Jews for what they are and resolved to find a definitive solution [endgültige Lösung] for the Jewish danger that will eliminate the scourge that Jews represent in the world.[178]"
November 1943 al-Husseini greeting Bosnian Waffen-SS volunteers with a Nazi salute.[216] At right is SS General Karl-Gustav Sauberzweig. |
"Throughout World War II, al-Husseini worked for the Axis Powers as a broadcaster in propaganda targeting Arab public opinion. He was thereby joined by other Arabs such as Fawzi al-Qawuqji[208] and Hasan Salama. The Mufti was paid "an absolute fortune" of 50,000 marks a month (when a German field marshal was making 25,000 marks a year),[209] the equivalent today of $12,000,000 a year.[129] Walter Winchell called him "the Arabian Lord Haw-Haw".[210]
The Mufti also wrote a pamphlet for the 13th SS Handschar division, translated as Islam i Zidovstvo (Islam and Judaism) which closed with a quotation from Bukhari-Muslim by Abu Khurreira that states:"The Day of Judgement will come, when the Muslims will crush the Jews completely: And when every tree behind which a Jew hides will say: 'There is a Jew behind me, Kill him!".[211]" ...
On 1 March 1944, while speaking on Radio Berlin, al-Husseini said: 'Arabs, rise as one man and fight for your sacred rights. Kill the Jews wherever you find them. This pleases God, history, and religion. This saves your honor. God is with you.'[213][214][215]"
"Husseini helped organize Arab students and North African emigres in Germany into the "Arabisches Freiheitkorps", an Arab Legion in the German Army that hunted down Allied parachutists in the Balkans and fought on the Russian front.[189]"
Amin al-Husseini's Naziish credentials:
1) Protected by the Nazis during the War
2) Assisted with Nazi propaganda
3) Recruited Muslims for the Waffen-SS
4) Issued policy statement that the Arabs had the right to solve the "Jewish question" in the same way the Nazis solved theirs.
5) Wrote approvingly of the Nazi effort to eliminate the problem of Jews in the world.
6) Wrote propaganda encouraging the destruction of all Jews.
7) Helped organize an Arab legion in the Nazi army.
8) Met with Hitler, Himmler and numerous top Nazi officials to discuss official policy against the Jews.
Impressive credentials.
Abd al-Qadir al-Husayni
"Abd al-Qadir al-Husayni (Arabic: عبد القادر الحسيني, also spelled Abd al-Qader al-Husseini) (1907 – 8 April 1948) was a Palestinian Arab nationalist and fighter who in late 1933 founded the secret militant group known as the Organization for Holy Struggle (Munathamat al-Jihad al-Muqaddas),[1][2] which he and Hasan Salama commanded as the Army of the Holy War (Jaysh al-Jihad al-Muqaddas) during the 1936–39 Arab revolt and during the 1948 war."
Relations between Nazi Germany and the Arab world
"The Mufti sent Abd al-Qadir al-Husayni to Germany in 1938 for explosives training."
Abd al-Qadir al-Husayni's Naziish credentials:
1) Received military training in Nazi Germany.
Unimpressive compared to the high standards of Naziishim already demonstrated here. You could even say the most Naziish thing about him was his affiliation with the others here testing heil for Naziishim. His co-commander was Hasan Salama. Maybe he can help bring up the average:
Hasan Salama
"the Mufti arranged for Salama and other Arab fighters to be flown to Germany for military training. The Germans trained Salama to be a paratrooper.[3]"
"Salama was as a member of a special commando unit of the Waffen SS in Operation ATLAS, which was jointly operated by German Intelligence and Grand Mufti al-Husseini."
Hasan Salama's Naziish credentials:
1) Received military training in Nazi Germany.
2) Was a member of the Waffen SS (the armed wing of the Nazis notorious for war crimes even by Nazi standards). That'll manheim up the average.
So in summary, for what looks like the four most important Palestinian leaders, they met with Adolf Hitler and other top ranking Nazis to discuss Nazi strategy, spent time in Nazi Germany, were trained by Nazis, assisted with Nazi propaganda, were in the Nazi army including the Waffen-SS and married Nazis.
In our comparison here it's going to be difficult for their Israeli counterparts to top but that doesn't mean that many will still try. Do a search on the Internet for "Israel Palestinians Nazi". Every hit on the first page will be comparing Israelis to Nazis.
David Ben-Gurion was the leader of Israel at the time. I can practically guarantee that he never met with Adolf Hitler. So what were his Naziish credentials? At his Wikipedia site most of the quotations are like this:
"This is our native land; it is not as birds of passage that we return to it. But it is situated in an area engulfed by Arabic-speaking people, mainly followers of Islam. Now, if ever, we must do more than make peace with them; we must achieve collaboration and alliance on equal terms"
Not much competition. We need to move to a source apparently more motivated than Wikipedia to demonize Ben-Gurion:
Neil Godfrey's Vridar: Expulsion of the Palestinians: Caution and Discretion during the War Years and the worst we can find there:
"We will propose to Iraq P£10 million in return for the resettlement of 100 thousand Arab families from Palestine in Iraq. I do not know whether Iraq will accept this proposal. If this business was only with Iraq — she might listen to us. Iraq needs a larger Arab settlement and of course it would not be adverse to receiving millions [of pounds]."
"We have to examine, first, if this transfer is practical, and secondly, if it is necessary. It is impossible to imagine general evacuation without compulsion, and brutal compulsion. There are of course sections of the non-Jewish population of the Land of Israel which will not resist transfer under adequate conditions to certain neighbouring countries, such as the Druzes, a number of Bedouin tribes in the Jordan Valley and the south, the Circassians and perhaps even the Metwalis [the Shi’ite of the Galilee]. But it would be very difficult to bring about the resettlement of other sections of the Arab populations such as the fellahin and also urban populations in neighbouring Arab countries by transferring them voluntarily, whatever economic inducements are offered to them."
The context of Ben-Gurion here is that it is an idea and not policy. It would also require agreement with the Arabs as a whole and only some Palestinians would have force used against them. Note also the attempt to provide compensation. This is a long way from the Palestinian leaders of the time possessing every Nazi quality except for being German.
So who's more Naziish now? Beowitch.
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