Poetry recital by Hatem Bazian at "Mein Kampfeehouse",
Berkeley,
California, April 30,
2001.
"To mein furkengroovin fuhrer. Man, I really dug the way
you
were swingin through
Poland.
Barbarossa was so heavy, that it
blew my mind. You restated the negativeness of the
universe.
The hideous, lonely emptiness of existence. Nothingness.
The predicament of man forced to live in a barren,
godless
eternity like a tiny flame flickering in an immense void
with
nothing but waste, horror and degradation forming a
useless,
bleak, straight-jacket in a black, absurd,
cosmos.
Mein furkengroovin fuhrer, to me you'll always be
the
coolest of the fritz cats and the biggest daddio of
the
daddio-land."
Hatem Bazian
Berkeley,
California
April 30, 2001.
PMW Bulletins Israeli PM Netanyahu is a Nazi with a swastika tattoo - in Fatah cartoon
PMW Bulletins Fatah: All Israelis are Nazis
PMW Bulletins Fatah posts Nazi children's book: Don’t trust a fox or a Jew
Perhaps the only thing the rest of the world agrees on though is that the Palestinian Media is not credible. So, if we are forced to make a comparison to Nazis here, which side, Israeli or Palestinian, is more Naziish?
1947–48 Civil War in Mandatory Palestine
The military leaders on the Palestinian side were Fawzi al-Qawuqji and Abd al-Qadir al-Husayni. The political leader was Amin al-Husseini:
Fawzi al-Qawuqji
"Fawzi al-Qawuqji (Arabic: فوزي القاوقجي; 19 January 1890 – 5 June 1977) was a leading Arab nationalist military figure in the interwar period,[1] based in Germany, and allied to Nazi Germany during World War II, who served as the Arab Liberation Army (ALA) field commander during the 1948 Palestine War."
"awarded the German Iron Cross"
"After suffering serious wounds fighting the British in Iraq, al-Qawuqji was transported to Vichy French-held Syria, and then made his way to Nazi Germany.[8][17] He remained in Germany for the remainder of World War II, recuperated from his wounds, and married a German woman.[18] Al-Qawuqji's sojourn in Germany has been the subject of considerable controversy.[19] Gilbert Achcar recounts stories of conflicts during his Berlin period:"
"He was awarded the rank of a colonel of the Wehrmacht (German Army), and given a captain to act as his aide, along with a chauffeured car, and an apartment near the clinic at Hansa. His expenses were paid by Wehrmacht High Command and by Rashid Ali's Foreign Minister. The Germans used al-Qawuqji's name and reputation extensively in their propaganda.[22]"
So among Fawzi al-Qawuqji's Naziish credentials:
1) Colonel in the Nazi army
2) Actively fought against the Allies
3) Healed and married a German in Nazi Germany
4) Was used for propaganda purposes by the Nazis
In addition, famously said:
"In August he threatened that, should the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine vote go the wrong way, “we will have to initiate total war. We will murder, wreck and ruin everything standing in our way, be it English, American or Jewish"[29]"
"I have come to Palestine to stay and fight until Palestine is a free and united Arab country or until I am killed and buried here," ... His aim, he declared, borrowing the slogan that was becoming the leitmotiv of the Arab leadership, was "to drive all the Jews into the sea."[34]
Sounds pretty Naziish.
Amin al-Husseini
The Question:
Perhaps the only thing Israel and the Palestinians agree on is that the Palestinians demonize Israel as Naziish. From Palestinian Media Watch:
PMW Bulletins Israeli PM Netanyahu is a Nazi with a swastika tattoo - in Fatah cartoon
PMW Bulletins Fatah: All Israelis are Nazis
PMW Bulletins Fatah posts Nazi children's book: Don’t trust a fox or a Jew
Perhaps the only thing the rest of the world agrees on though is that the Palestinian Media is not credible. So, if we are forced to make a comparison to Nazis here, which side, Israeli or Palestinian, is more Naziish?
When There Were Real Nazis:
Once upon a time there were real Nazis and it really was not that long ago. The Israeli/Arab Conflict first went from simmer to boil during:
1947–48 Civil War in Mandatory Palestine
The military leaders on the Palestinian side were Fawzi al-Qawuqji and Abd al-Qadir al-Husayni. The political leader was Amin al-Husseini:
Fawzi al-Qawuqji
"Fawzi al-Qawuqji (Arabic: فوزي القاوقجي; 19 January 1890 – 5 June 1977) was a leading Arab nationalist military figure in the interwar period,[1] based in Germany, and allied to Nazi Germany during World War II, who served as the Arab Liberation Army (ALA) field commander during the 1948 Palestine War."
"awarded the German Iron Cross"
"After suffering serious wounds fighting the British in Iraq, al-Qawuqji was transported to Vichy French-held Syria, and then made his way to Nazi Germany.[8][17] He remained in Germany for the remainder of World War II, recuperated from his wounds, and married a German woman.[18] Al-Qawuqji's sojourn in Germany has been the subject of considerable controversy.[19] Gilbert Achcar recounts stories of conflicts during his Berlin period:"
"He was awarded the rank of a colonel of the Wehrmacht (German Army), and given a captain to act as his aide, along with a chauffeured car, and an apartment near the clinic at Hansa. His expenses were paid by Wehrmacht High Command and by Rashid Ali's Foreign Minister. The Germans used al-Qawuqji's name and reputation extensively in their propaganda.[22]"
So among Fawzi al-Qawuqji's Naziish credentials:
1) Colonel in the Nazi army
2) Actively fought against the Allies
3) Healed and married a German in Nazi Germany
4) Was used for propaganda purposes by the Nazis
In addition, famously said:
"In August he threatened that, should the United Nations Partition Plan for Palestine vote go the wrong way, “we will have to initiate total war. We will murder, wreck and ruin everything standing in our way, be it English, American or Jewish"[29]"
"I have come to Palestine to stay and fight until Palestine is a free and united Arab country or until I am killed and buried here," ... His aim, he declared, borrowing the slogan that was becoming the leitmotiv of the Arab leadership, was "to drive all the Jews into the sea."[34]
Sounds pretty Naziish.
Amin al-Husseini
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Just from the picture above you can already tell this is not going to be pretty -
"In 1921 the British High Commissioner appointed him Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, a position he used to promote Islam while rallying a non-confessional Arab nationalism against Zionism.[12][13] During the period 1921-36 he was considered an important ally by the British Mandatory authorities.[14] His opposition to the British peaked during the 1936–39 Arab revolt in Palestine. In 1937, evading an arrest warrant, he fled Palestine and took refuge successively in the French Mandate of Lebanon and the Kingdom of Iraq, until he established himself in Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany. During World War II he collaborated with both Italy and Germany by making propagandistic radio broadcasts and by helping the Nazis recruit Bosnian Muslims for the Waffen-SS (on the ground that they shared four principles: family, order, the leader and faith)."
"Subsequently, the Mufti declared in November 1943:
"Throughout World War II, al-Husseini worked for the Axis Powers as a broadcaster in propaganda targeting Arab public opinion. He was thereby joined by other Arabs such as Fawzi al-Qawuqji[208] and Hasan Salama. The Mufti was paid "an absolute fortune" of 50,000 marks a month (when a German field marshal was making 25,000 marks a year),[209] the equivalent today of $12,000,000 a year.[129] Walter Winchell called him "the Arabian Lord Haw-Haw".[210]
The Mufti also wrote a pamphlet for the 13th SS Handschar division, translated as Islam i Zidovstvo (Islam and Judaism) which closed with a quotation from Bukhari-Muslim by Abu Khurreira that states:"The Day of Judgement will come, when the Muslims will crush the Jews completely: And when every tree behind which a Jew hides will say: 'There is a Jew behind me, Kill him!".[211]" ...
On 1 March 1944, while speaking on Radio Berlin, al-Husseini said: 'Arabs, rise as one man and fight for your sacred rights. Kill the Jews wherever you find them. This pleases God, history, and religion. This saves your honor. God is with you.'[213][214][215]"
"Husseini helped organize Arab students and North African emigres in Germany into the "Arabisches Freiheitkorps", an Arab Legion in the German Army that hunted down Allied parachutists in the Balkans and fought on the Russian front.[189]"
Amin al-Husseini's Naziish credentials:
1) Protected by the Nazis during the War
2) Assisted with Nazi propaganda
3) Recruited Muslims for the Waffen-SS
4) Issued policy statement that the Arabs had the right to solve the "Jewish question" in the same way the Nazis solved theirs.
5) Wrote approvingly of the Nazi effort to eliminate the problem of Jews in the world.
6) Wrote propaganda encouraging the destruction of all Jews.
7) Helped organize an Arab legion in the Nazi army.
8) Met with Hitler, Himmler and numerous top Nazi officials to discuss official policy against the Jews.
Impressive credentials.
Abd al-Qadir al-Husayni
"Abd al-Qadir al-Husayni (Arabic: عبد القادر الحسيني, also spelled Abd al-Qader al-Husseini) (1907 – 8 April 1948) was a Palestinian Arab nationalist and fighter who in late 1933 founded the secret militant group known as the Organization for Holy Struggle (Munathamat al-Jihad al-Muqaddas),[1][2] which he and Hasan Salama commanded as the Army of the Holy War (Jaysh al-Jihad al-Muqaddas) during the 1936–39 Arab revolt and during the 1948 war."
Relations between Nazi Germany and the Arab world
"The Mufti sent Abd al-Qadir al-Husayni to Germany in 1938 for explosives training."
Abd al-Qadir al-Husayni's Naziish credentials:
1) Received military training in Nazi Germany.
Unimpressive compared to the high standards of Naziishim already demonstrated here. You could even say the most Naziish thing about him was his affiliation with the others here testing heil for Naziishim. His co-commander was Hasan Salama. Maybe he can help bring up the average:
Hasan Salama
"the Mufti arranged for Salama and other Arab fighters to be flown to Germany for military training. The Germans trained Salama to be a paratrooper.[3]"
"Salama was as a member of a special commando unit of the Waffen SS in Operation ATLAS, which was jointly operated by German Intelligence and Grand Mufti al-Husseini."
Hasan Salama's Naziish credentials:
1) Received military training in Nazi Germany.
2) Was a member of the Waffen SS (the armed wing of the Nazis notorious for war crimes even by Nazi standards). That'll manheim up the average.
So in summary, for what looks like the four most important Palestinian leaders, they met with Adolf Hitler and other top ranking Nazis to discuss Nazi strategy, spent time in Nazi Germany, were trained by Nazis, assisted with Nazi propaganda, were in the Nazi army including the Waffen-SS and married Nazis.
In our comparison here it's going to be difficult for their Israeli counterparts to top but that doesn't mean that many will still try. Do a search on the Internet for "Israel Palestinians Nazi". Every hit on the first page will be comparing Israelis to Nazis.
David Ben-Gurion was the leader of Israel at the time. I can practically guarantee that he never met with Adolf Hitler. So what were his Naziish credentials? At his Wikipedia site most of the quotations are like this:
"This is our native land; it is not as birds of passage that we return to it. But it is situated in an area engulfed by Arabic-speaking people, mainly followers of Islam. Now, if ever, we must do more than make peace with them; we must achieve collaboration and alliance on equal terms"
Not much competition. We need to move to a source apparently more motivated than Wikipedia to demonize Ben-Gurion:
Neil Godfrey's Vridar: Expulsion of the Palestinians: Caution and Discretion during the War Years and the worst we can find there:
"We will propose to Iraq P£10 million in return for the resettlement of 100 thousand Arab families from Palestine in Iraq. I do not know whether Iraq will accept this proposal. If this business was only with Iraq — she might listen to us. Iraq needs a larger Arab settlement and of course it would not be adverse to receiving millions [of pounds]."
"We have to examine, first, if this transfer is practical, and secondly, if it is necessary. It is impossible to imagine general evacuation without compulsion, and brutal compulsion. There are of course sections of the non-Jewish population of the Land of Israel which will not resist transfer under adequate conditions to certain neighbouring countries, such as the Druzes, a number of Bedouin tribes in the Jordan Valley and the south, the Circassians and perhaps even the Metwalis [the Shi’ite of the Galilee]. But it would be very difficult to bring about the resettlement of other sections of the Arab populations such as the fellahin and also urban populations in neighbouring Arab countries by transferring them voluntarily, whatever economic inducements are offered to them."
The context of Ben-Gurion here is that it is an idea and not policy. It would also require agreement with the Arabs as a whole and only some Palestinians would have force used against them. Note also the attempt to provide compensation. This is a long way from the Palestinian leaders of the time possessing every Nazi quality except for being German.
So who's more Naziish now? Beowitch.
"In 1921 the British High Commissioner appointed him Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, a position he used to promote Islam while rallying a non-confessional Arab nationalism against Zionism.[12][13] During the period 1921-36 he was considered an important ally by the British Mandatory authorities.[14] His opposition to the British peaked during the 1936–39 Arab revolt in Palestine. In 1937, evading an arrest warrant, he fled Palestine and took refuge successively in the French Mandate of Lebanon and the Kingdom of Iraq, until he established himself in Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany. During World War II he collaborated with both Italy and Germany by making propagandistic radio broadcasts and by helping the Nazis recruit Bosnian Muslims for the Waffen-SS (on the ground that they shared four principles: family, order, the leader and faith)."
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| Himmler
"Back in the summer of 1940 and again in February 1941, al-Husseini submitted to the Nazi German Government a draft declaration of German-Arab cooperation, containing a clause:
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| Bosniak soldiers of the SS 13 Division, reading Husseini's pamphlet Islam and Judaism |
It is the duty of Muhammadans [Muslims] in general and Arabs in particular to ... drive all Jews from Arab and Muhammadan countries... . Germany is also struggling against the common foe who oppressed Arabs and Muhammadans in their different countries. It has very clearly recognized the Jews for what they are and resolved to find a definitive solution [endgültige Lösung] for the Jewish danger that will eliminate the scourge that Jews represent in the world.[178]"
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| November 1943 al-Husseini greeting Bosnian Waffen-SS volunteers with a Nazi salute.[216] At right is SS General Karl-Gustav Sauberzweig. |
"Throughout World War II, al-Husseini worked for the Axis Powers as a broadcaster in propaganda targeting Arab public opinion. He was thereby joined by other Arabs such as Fawzi al-Qawuqji[208] and Hasan Salama. The Mufti was paid "an absolute fortune" of 50,000 marks a month (when a German field marshal was making 25,000 marks a year),[209] the equivalent today of $12,000,000 a year.[129] Walter Winchell called him "the Arabian Lord Haw-Haw".[210]
The Mufti also wrote a pamphlet for the 13th SS Handschar division, translated as Islam i Zidovstvo (Islam and Judaism) which closed with a quotation from Bukhari-Muslim by Abu Khurreira that states:"The Day of Judgement will come, when the Muslims will crush the Jews completely: And when every tree behind which a Jew hides will say: 'There is a Jew behind me, Kill him!".[211]" ...
On 1 March 1944, while speaking on Radio Berlin, al-Husseini said: 'Arabs, rise as one man and fight for your sacred rights. Kill the Jews wherever you find them. This pleases God, history, and religion. This saves your honor. God is with you.'[213][214][215]"
"Husseini helped organize Arab students and North African emigres in Germany into the "Arabisches Freiheitkorps", an Arab Legion in the German Army that hunted down Allied parachutists in the Balkans and fought on the Russian front.[189]"
Amin al-Husseini's Naziish credentials:
1) Protected by the Nazis during the War
2) Assisted with Nazi propaganda
3) Recruited Muslims for the Waffen-SS
4) Issued policy statement that the Arabs had the right to solve the "Jewish question" in the same way the Nazis solved theirs.
5) Wrote approvingly of the Nazi effort to eliminate the problem of Jews in the world.
6) Wrote propaganda encouraging the destruction of all Jews.
7) Helped organize an Arab legion in the Nazi army.
8) Met with Hitler, Himmler and numerous top Nazi officials to discuss official policy against the Jews.
Impressive credentials.
Abd al-Qadir al-Husayni
"Abd al-Qadir al-Husayni (Arabic: عبد القادر الحسيني, also spelled Abd al-Qader al-Husseini) (1907 – 8 April 1948) was a Palestinian Arab nationalist and fighter who in late 1933 founded the secret militant group known as the Organization for Holy Struggle (Munathamat al-Jihad al-Muqaddas),[1][2] which he and Hasan Salama commanded as the Army of the Holy War (Jaysh al-Jihad al-Muqaddas) during the 1936–39 Arab revolt and during the 1948 war."
Relations between Nazi Germany and the Arab world
"The Mufti sent Abd al-Qadir al-Husayni to Germany in 1938 for explosives training."
Abd al-Qadir al-Husayni's Naziish credentials:
1) Received military training in Nazi Germany.
Unimpressive compared to the high standards of Naziishim already demonstrated here. You could even say the most Naziish thing about him was his affiliation with the others here testing heil for Naziishim. His co-commander was Hasan Salama. Maybe he can help bring up the average:
Hasan Salama
"the Mufti arranged for Salama and other Arab fighters to be flown to Germany for military training. The Germans trained Salama to be a paratrooper.[3]"
"Salama was as a member of a special commando unit of the Waffen SS in Operation ATLAS, which was jointly operated by German Intelligence and Grand Mufti al-Husseini."
Hasan Salama's Naziish credentials:
1) Received military training in Nazi Germany.
2) Was a member of the Waffen SS (the armed wing of the Nazis notorious for war crimes even by Nazi standards). That'll manheim up the average.
So in summary, for what looks like the four most important Palestinian leaders, they met with Adolf Hitler and other top ranking Nazis to discuss Nazi strategy, spent time in Nazi Germany, were trained by Nazis, assisted with Nazi propaganda, were in the Nazi army including the Waffen-SS and married Nazis.
In our comparison here it's going to be difficult for their Israeli counterparts to top but that doesn't mean that many will still try. Do a search on the Internet for "Israel Palestinians Nazi". Every hit on the first page will be comparing Israelis to Nazis.
David Ben-Gurion was the leader of Israel at the time. I can practically guarantee that he never met with Adolf Hitler. So what were his Naziish credentials? At his Wikipedia site most of the quotations are like this:
"This is our native land; it is not as birds of passage that we return to it. But it is situated in an area engulfed by Arabic-speaking people, mainly followers of Islam. Now, if ever, we must do more than make peace with them; we must achieve collaboration and alliance on equal terms"
Not much competition. We need to move to a source apparently more motivated than Wikipedia to demonize Ben-Gurion:
Neil Godfrey's Vridar: Expulsion of the Palestinians: Caution and Discretion during the War Years and the worst we can find there:
"We will propose to Iraq P£10 million in return for the resettlement of 100 thousand Arab families from Palestine in Iraq. I do not know whether Iraq will accept this proposal. If this business was only with Iraq — she might listen to us. Iraq needs a larger Arab settlement and of course it would not be adverse to receiving millions [of pounds]."
"We have to examine, first, if this transfer is practical, and secondly, if it is necessary. It is impossible to imagine general evacuation without compulsion, and brutal compulsion. There are of course sections of the non-Jewish population of the Land of Israel which will not resist transfer under adequate conditions to certain neighbouring countries, such as the Druzes, a number of Bedouin tribes in the Jordan Valley and the south, the Circassians and perhaps even the Metwalis [the Shi’ite of the Galilee]. But it would be very difficult to bring about the resettlement of other sections of the Arab populations such as the fellahin and also urban populations in neighbouring Arab countries by transferring them voluntarily, whatever economic inducements are offered to them."
The context of Ben-Gurion here is that it is an idea and not policy. It would also require agreement with the Arabs as a whole and only some Palestinians would have force used against them. Note also the attempt to provide compensation. This is a long way from the Palestinian leaders of the time possessing every Nazi quality except for being German.
So who's more Naziish now? Beowitch.
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